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The '''Third Sea Lord''' was an officer of the [[Royal Navy]] with a position on the [[Board of Admiralty]] with responsibility for procuring and equipping the fleet.
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The '''Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy''' was an officer of the [[Royal Navy]] with a position on the [[Board of Admiralty]] with responsibility for procuring and equipping the fleet. The position had a complicated history. Prior to 1868 the '''Third Sea Lord''' was a member of the [[Board of Admiralty]] and the '''Controller of the Navy''' was a subordinate official. In 1868 the Second Sea Lord was abolished and the Controller took his place on the Board as '''Third Lord and Controller''', the Fourth Sea Lord became technically Third Sea Lord. In 1872 the office of Second Sea Lord was restored, the Controller left the Board and the Junior Naval Lord remained designated as such. In 1882 the Controller again returned to the Board, this time as '''Third Naval Lord and Controller of the Navy''', renamed '''Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy''' in 1904. In 1912 many of his administrative duties were given to a new [[Additional Civil Lord of the Admiralty]], and the title became '''Third Sea Lord''', with Controller of the Navy abolished. A new office of [[Controller (Royal Navy)|Controller]] was created for a civilian in 1917, the same year that Third Sea Lord was renamed '''Third Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Materiel'''. The Controllership was merged with Third Sea Lord in 1918, once more becoming '''Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy'''.
  
==History==
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==History of Controller of the Navy==
The pay of the Third Sea Lord until 1868 had been £1,000. At the end of that year, formalised by [[Order in Council of 14 January, 1869]], the Third Sea Lord technically disappeared entirely when the position of [[Second Sea Lord|Second Naval Lord]] was abolished, and the [[Controller (Royal Navy)|Controllership of the Navy]], although vested in a naval officer, was known as the '''Third Lord and Controller of the Navy'''.<ref>[[Order in Council of 14 January, 1869]].</ref> In 1872 the Controller ceased to be a Board member once more, the office of Second Naval Lord was restored, and technically the Third Naval Lord became the [[Junior Naval Lord]].<ref>[[Order in Council of 19 March, 1872]].</ref> This state of affairs continued for a decade, until 1882, when the "Comptroller" of the Navy became an "Additional Naval Lord".<ref>[[Order in Council of 10 March, 1882]].</ref> In a distribution of business of 24 April of that year he is styled simply '''Controller of the Navy''',<ref>"Distribution of Business" in docket "Distribution of Business: Board of Admiralty" dated 24 April, 1882. The National Archives. {{TNA|ADM 1/6330.}}</ref> but as the Junior Naval Lord retained his title the Controller was already in effect Third Sea Lord. In subsequent distributions of business he was styled as '''Third Naval Lord and Controller of the Navy'''.<ref>"Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty Showing the Successive Changes Made Between 1885 and the Present Time." 1890. C.—6199. Copy in Greene papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.</ref>
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The office of '''Surveyor of the Navy''' had been one of the five Principal Officers of the Civil Departments of the Navy. By Order in Council of 23 January, 1860, the title of Surveyor of the Navy was changed to '''Comptroller of the Navy'''.<ref>''The Order in Council for the Regulation of the Naval Service'', '''II''', 9.</ref> In spite of the wording of the Order in Council the title was being rendered as '''Controller of the Navy''' within a month.<ref>See docket "Instructions for Controller of the Navy" dated 16 February, 1860. TNA, ADM 1/5741.</ref>
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==History of the Third Sea Lord==
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The pay of the Third Sea Lord until 1868 had been £1,000. At the end of that year, formalised by [[Order in Council of 14 January, 1869]], the Third Sea Lord technically disappeared entirely when the position of [[Second Sea Lord]] was abolished, and the [[Controller (Royal Navy)|Controllership of the Navy]], although vested in a naval officer, was known as the '''Third Lord and Controller of the Navy'''.<ref>[[Order in Council of 14 January, 1869]].</ref> In 1872 the Controller ceased to be a Board member once more, the office of Second Naval Lord was restored, and technically the Third Naval Lord became the [[Junior Naval Lord]].<ref>[[Order in Council of 19 March, 1872]].</ref> This state of affairs continued for a decade, until 1882, when the "Comptroller" of the Navy became an "Additional Naval Lord".<ref>[[Order in Council of 10 March, 1882]].</ref> In a distribution of business of 24 April of that year he is styled simply '''Controller of the Navy''',<ref>"Distribution of Business" in docket "Distribution of Business: Board of Admiralty" dated 24 April, 1882. The National Archives. {{TNA|ADM 1/6330.}}</ref> but as the Junior Naval Lord retained his title the Controller was already in effect Third Sea Lord. In subsequent distributions of business he was styled as '''Third Naval Lord and Controller of the Navy'''.<ref>"Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty Showing the Successive Changes Made Between 1885 and the Present Time." 1890. C.—6199. Copy in Greene papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.</ref>
  
 
By Order in Council of 21 December, 1906, the emoluments of the Third Sea Lord and Controller were raised from &pound;1,500 a year to &pound;1,750 a year, in addition to Naval Half Pay.  The Controller then became &pound;250 a year better off than the [[Second Sea Lord]].<ref>Order in Council of 21 December, 1906.</ref>
 
By Order in Council of 21 December, 1906, the emoluments of the Third Sea Lord and Controller were raised from &pound;1,500 a year to &pound;1,750 a year, in addition to Naval Half Pay.  The Controller then became &pound;250 a year better off than the [[Second Sea Lord]].<ref>Order in Council of 21 December, 1906.</ref>
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==Appointees==
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==Controllers of the Navy==
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*{{RearRN}} [[Baldwin Wake Walker, First Baronet|Sir Baldwin Wake Walker, Bart.]], 27 November, 1848. (As Surveyor of the Navy.)<ref>Walker service record. {{TNA|ADM 196/37/1314.}}</ref>
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*{{ViceRN}} [[Robert Spencer Robinson]], 6 February, 1861.<ref>Robinson service record. {{TNA|ADM 196/37/735.}}</ref>
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*Captain [[Robert Hall]], 13 February, 1871.<ref>Hall service record. {{TNA|ADM 196/36/1482.}}</ref>
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*{{AdmRN}} [[William Houston Stewart|Sir W. Houston Stewart]], 29 April, 1872.<ref>Stewart service record. {{TNA|ADM 196/37/1010.}}</ref>
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*{{RearRN}} [[Thomas Brandreth]], 1 December, 1881.<ref>Brandreth service record. {{TNA|ADM 196/36/346.}}</ref>
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==Third Sea Lords (and Controllers of the Navy)==
 
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Revision as of 12:45, 8 December 2018

The Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy was an officer of the Royal Navy with a position on the Board of Admiralty with responsibility for procuring and equipping the fleet. The position had a complicated history. Prior to 1868 the Third Sea Lord was a member of the Board of Admiralty and the Controller of the Navy was a subordinate official. In 1868 the Second Sea Lord was abolished and the Controller took his place on the Board as Third Lord and Controller, the Fourth Sea Lord became technically Third Sea Lord. In 1872 the office of Second Sea Lord was restored, the Controller left the Board and the Junior Naval Lord remained designated as such. In 1882 the Controller again returned to the Board, this time as Third Naval Lord and Controller of the Navy, renamed Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy in 1904. In 1912 many of his administrative duties were given to a new Additional Civil Lord of the Admiralty, and the title became Third Sea Lord, with Controller of the Navy abolished. A new office of Controller was created for a civilian in 1917, the same year that Third Sea Lord was renamed Third Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Materiel. The Controllership was merged with Third Sea Lord in 1918, once more becoming Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy.

History of Controller of the Navy

The office of Surveyor of the Navy had been one of the five Principal Officers of the Civil Departments of the Navy. By Order in Council of 23 January, 1860, the title of Surveyor of the Navy was changed to Comptroller of the Navy.[1] In spite of the wording of the Order in Council the title was being rendered as Controller of the Navy within a month.[2]

History of the Third Sea Lord

The pay of the Third Sea Lord until 1868 had been £1,000. At the end of that year, formalised by Order in Council of 14 January, 1869, the Third Sea Lord technically disappeared entirely when the position of Second Sea Lord was abolished, and the Controllership of the Navy, although vested in a naval officer, was known as the Third Lord and Controller of the Navy.[3] In 1872 the Controller ceased to be a Board member once more, the office of Second Naval Lord was restored, and technically the Third Naval Lord became the Junior Naval Lord.[4] This state of affairs continued for a decade, until 1882, when the "Comptroller" of the Navy became an "Additional Naval Lord".[5] In a distribution of business of 24 April of that year he is styled simply Controller of the Navy,[6] but as the Junior Naval Lord retained his title the Controller was already in effect Third Sea Lord. In subsequent distributions of business he was styled as Third Naval Lord and Controller of the Navy.[7]

By Order in Council of 21 December, 1906, the emoluments of the Third Sea Lord and Controller were raised from £1,500 a year to £1,750 a year, in addition to Naval Half Pay. The Controller then became £250 a year better off than the Second Sea Lord.[8]

The title of Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy was changed to Third Sea Lord with effect from 12 June, 1912.[9] In September he was formally relieved of duties relating to contracts, finances and dockyard management, which were allocated to the Additional Civil Lord, who had been appointed in January.[10]

The office of Third Sea Lord received the designation Third Sea Lord and Chief of Naval Materiel by Order in Council of 23 October, 1917.[11]

The office of Controller was merged with that of Third Sea Lord on 25 June, 1918, and became once again Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy.[12]

Duties

Controllers of the Navy

Third Sea Lords (and Controllers of the Navy)

Naval Assistant to the Third Sea Lord and Controller of the Navy

Dates of appointment given:

Footnotes

  1. The Order in Council for the Regulation of the Naval Service, II, 9.
  2. See docket "Instructions for Controller of the Navy" dated 16 February, 1860. TNA, ADM 1/5741.
  3. Order in Council of 14 January, 1869.
  4. Order in Council of 19 March, 1872.
  5. Order in Council of 10 March, 1882.
  6. "Distribution of Business" in docket "Distribution of Business: Board of Admiralty" dated 24 April, 1882. The National Archives. The National Archives. ADM 1/6330.
  7. "Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty Showing the Successive Changes Made Between 1885 and the Present Time." 1890. C.—6199. Copy in Greene papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  8. Order in Council of 21 December, 1906.
  9. Order in Council of 19 July, 1912.
  10. "Memorandum by the First Lord on the Redistribution of Admiralty Business." p. 6. Greene papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  11. Order in Council of 23 October, 1917.
  12. Order in Council of 25 June, 1918.
  13. "Precis of the Division & General Mode of Conducting the Business of the Admiralty at Whitehall." Dated 21 June, 1844. The National Archives. ADM 1/5543.
  14. Greene Papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  15. Greene Papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  16. "Distribution of Business" in docket "Distribution of Business: Board of Admiralty" dated 24 April, 1882. The National Archives. ADM 1/6330.
  17. Docket "Table of distribution of business of Members of Board, & Secretaries" dated 13 July, 1885. The National Archives. ADM 116/3392.
  18. Docket "Table of Distribution of Business amongst Members of Board & Secretaries" dated 11 January, 1889. The National Archives. ADM 116/3392.
  19. "Distribution of Business Between the Various Members of the Board of Admiralty Showing the Successive Changes Made Between 1885 and the Present Time." 1890. C.—6199. Copy in Greene Papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  20. Docket "Revised Table of Distribution of Admiralty Board Business 16 April 1908." The National Archives. ADM 116/3392.
  21. Docket "Revised Table of Distribution of Admiralty Business" dated 1 August 1912. The National Archives. ADM 116/3392.
  22. Docket "Revised Table of Distribution of Admiralty Business" dated 1 August 1912. The National Archives. ADM 116/3392.
  23. Greene papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  24. Greene papers. National Maritime Museum. GEE/2.
  25. Walker service record. The National Archives. ADM 196/37/1314.
  26. Robinson service record. The National Archives. ADM 196/37/735.
  27. Hall service record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36/1482.
  28. Stewart service record. The National Archives. ADM 196/37/1010.
  29. Brandreth service record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36/346.
  30. A List of Lords Hugh Admiral and Commissioners for executing that Office, which have been from time to time appointed, since the year 1660. p. 37.
  31. A List of Lords Hugh Admiral and Commissioners for executing that Office, which have been from time to time appointed, since the year 1660. p. 37.
  32. A List of Lords Hugh Admiral and Commissioners for executing that Office, which have been from time to time appointed, since the year 1660. p. 38.
  33. A List of Lords Hugh Admiral and Commissioners for executing that Office, which have been from time to time appointed, since the year 1660. p. 38.
  34. A List of Lords Hugh Admiral and Commissioners for executing that Office, which have been from time to time appointed, since the year 1660. p. 38.
  35. Hopkins Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36. f. 271/644.
  36. Hopkins Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/36. f. 271/644.
  37. Wilson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/86. f. 59. Source does not indicate the day of month, however.
  38. Wilson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/86. f. 59.
  39. Jackson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/38. f. 685.
  40. Jellicoe Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/87. p. 27.
  41. Briggs Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/20. p. 654.
  42. Briggs Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/20. p. 654.
  43. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 125.
  44. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 125.
  45. Tudor Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 90.
  46. Tudor Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 90.
  47. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 126.
  48. Halsey Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 243.
  49. Halsey Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 243.
  50. The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. p. 126.
  51. Bartolomé Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 208.
  52. Nicholson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 214.
  53. Nicholson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/88. f. 77.
  54. Field Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. p. 178.
  55. Fuller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. p. 460.
  56. Fuller Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 460.
  57. "Naval and Military" (Official Appointments and Notices). The Times. Thursday, 30 April, 1925. Issue 43949, col E, p. 10.
  58. Chatfield Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 346.
  59. "Naval, Military, and Air Force" (Official Appointments and Notices). The Times. Wednesday, 31 October, 1928. Issue 45038, col F, p. 25.
  60. "The Services" (Official Appointments and Notices). The Times. Tuesday, 1 March, 1932. Issue 46010, col F, p. 10.
  61. "The Services" (Official Appointments and Notices). The Times. Monday, 23 April, 1934. Issue 46735, col C, p. 7.
  62. Jellicoe Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/38. f. 693.
  63. Leveson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 472.
  64. Leveson Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 472.
  65. Madden Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 83.
  66. Madden Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 83.
  67. Duff Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 80.
  68. Duff Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 80.
  69. De Chair Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 259.
  70. De Chair Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/42. f. 259. Date inferred from commissioning of Colossus
  71. Hall Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 78.
  72. Hall Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 40/78.
  73. Greatorex Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 30.
  74. Greatorex Service Record. The National Archives. ADM 196/43. f. 16/30.

Bibliography

  • Naval Staff, Training and Staff Duties Division (1929). The Naval Staff of the Admiralty. Its Work and Development. B.R. 1845 (late C.B. 3013). Copy at The National Archives. ADM 234/434.


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